What Is The Crawling Chaos?

Winifred V Jjackson

Lovecraft-ian Comparisons

On the myths page the derivation of the band’s name is described thus:

The name was chosen around then because it sounded good, it was a partial homage to H P Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos he’d created and also Strangely had not managed to read it all the way through even after several attempts because he was usually too drunk to finish it. It also stood out from band names of the time and sounded dangerous and gloomy. This was the start of THE CRAWLING CHAOS although the definite article was usually dropped. The Crawling Chaos was supposed to be an actual creature of nightmares.

And Now?

Yet I’ve just been reading an explorative discussion of the actual story that I (sp) first read back in 1974.  It’s called: Just Say No (To Drug-Induced Time Travel): “The Crawling Chaos” by H.P. Lovecraft & Winifred Jackson and the similarities and simultaneity to me are interesting c.f. our own Crawling Chaos.  From our self-destructive tendencies to the recent choice of page header image that mysteriously arrived on my PC screen, all, almost in a dream.  Maybe that’s just me, Strangely, by hey, whatever, a commenter (DemetriosX – ‘I found this one to be a real slog.’) on the original post had the same reading difficulties as me, (sp)…

Take the labyrinthine authoring of the tale – most anthologies I read had it as HP Lovecraft being the main author sometimes with Elizabeth Berkeley;  but earlier editions said it was Elizabeth Berkeley and Lewis Theobald, Jr. as joint authors – who were actually HP Lovecraft and Winifred V. Jackson.  Lovecraft is the creator & main protagonist of his Cthulhu Mythos and The Crawling Chaos was supposed to have been created from a dream – except it wasn’t even Lovecraft’s dream – it was Jackson’s (really called Berkeley , remember?).

Winifred V Jjackson
Winifred V Jjackson

To cap it all, The Crawling Chaos wasn’t an imaginary creature; it was just this dreamy tale of destruction and realisation of one’s place in the universe.  In another tale written almost concurrently, he invented Nyarlathotep, which had the same alternate name.  Why have just one name, eh?

At the end of the day though, to answer the question “What is the crawling chaos?” – it is simply this woman’s dream!

Examining both our creative works and some of our own personal naming schemes reveals similar modus operandi and a fair bit of our own personal traits methinks in the conventions that we used.


The tale

…is well out of copyright so can be read for nowt. Essentially:

  • the narrator gets blitzed on an opium overdose from his doctor,
  • wakes in a dream to see a strange high house on a cliff  on a peninsular that has paradoxically opposed views on each side.
  • He gets rescued by angels who take him to safety who tell him not to look back.
  • Of course he looks back to see the Earth split and oceans rush into the crack, turning to explosive steam .  (think about the LA destruction scene in 2012
  • Fall Of Numenor
    Fall Of Numenor

    This is also like the current CC website image in use….  This is a depiction of the Fall Of Numenor, a Tolkien creation well after The Crawling Chaos was dreamt up by the duo.  These tales of cataclysmic destruction are nothing new of course; in the West alone we have the biblical deluge, the apocalypse and Atlantean myths melanged with similarly fraught Norse sagas.  But I do like this image.

  • In the end, quoting the tale, a single poetic sentence finishes it, like a death sentence:

And when the smoke cleared away, and I sought to look upon the earth, I beheld against the background of cold, humorous stars only the dying sun and the pale mournful planets searching for their sister.

In a way, the creation and passage of our own Crawling Chaos through time mirrors all of this.  The impermanence of it all is majestic, is it not?

‘Though you may set out at dawn on the journey of life with pride in the beauty of your rosy cheeks, by evening you will be no more than a pile of white bones rotting on the moor.’ – from a poem by Fujiwara no Yoshitaka, appearing in A Collection of Japanese and Chinese Poems for Singing, compiled around 1013.

‘when you are happy, you should remember that your happiness in this life is nothing but a dream within a dream’ – Nichiren,1276


Mr Anthony Chester

Time is an Interesting Thing

There’s an interesting URL here to Amazon where some of our art is sold – note the copyright assertion on that web-page.  It’s not Crawling Chaos!  Funny that.
Or take this other Amazon URL – note the copyright assertion on that web-page.  It’s not Crawling Chaos!  Funny that.
Or take this Apple URL – note the copyright assertion on that web-page.  It’s not Crawling Chaos!  Funny that.
Or take this other Apple URL – note the copyright assertion on that web-page.  It’s not Crawling Chaos!  Funny that.

There are more, but Apple and Amazon are the biggest download players…  Here are four screenshots of the above, detailed.

Background to this Post

Some folks may know that I live in France…  So what, you may ask?  The issue, for my communications, is that both web and mobile reception is iffy in my house.  I live in the countryside and in a dip, well hidden from gits in a thick stone walled house.  The land-line is fine.

I recently had a call on the mobile that cut out (happens a lot) and later I found 2 voice messages.  Normal eh?  Well sort of….  It was Mr Anthony Chester, or Baaldy Chester as we all referred to him decades ago.  Maybe not Gazza, but the rest for sure. 🙂

Some years ago in a gesture of faith I removed all the references to him of “Baldy” and changed them to “Anth” – which was how he liked to be known.  This was not a bland gesture on my part because at that time I asked for false references and copyright assertions to be removed from the stuff that he’d released without my consultation. (The few folks on the planet who have read these pages may remember these circumstances).

Latterly, I reinstated the words.  There has been zero activity for too long in the Chester dept.

What This Post is For

So, threats about untruths and falsehoods on my part in his voice-mails have forced me to disclose exactly what the issue is; I will demolish Mr Anthony Chester’s claims whilst simultaneously correcting and clarifying some stuff on my part, as I naturally do.

The images and links at the top are just part of it, and the most visible to casual web users.  He is falsely claiming copyright for much of our works.  It cannot be plainer than that and yet, after many complaints by all of the extant band members and the passage of a large amount of time, he still keeps them there.

n.b. There are other websites where the works are downloadable, for cash or otherwise: spotify, emusic, soundcloud, rhapsody etc – if you’re in the game you’ll know. But the reality of the web is that no-one has had to pay for music if they really don’t want to for over a decade now.

FesterBesterTesterFrom Mr Anthony Chester’s angry voicemail voice I get that he’s probably a bit pissed off.  So fucking what?  If he had any empathy then he’d sharpish realise how pissed off everyone (including the dead members) in the band are.  He obviously has no empathy.

Raging he was.  I may upload the audio here so folks can see both sides of what goes on?  But for now, I know how old we all are and the likely physical appearance because of this.  I know what I look like, it’s on my website!  It matches the view in the mirror most of the time.  Apart from the derogatory nickname that Jeff invented for Eddie (Fatso) no-one on this website was ever called “fat” as claimed by Mr Anthony Chester [I had to check using phpAdmin to be sure though!  One never knows].  Neither was anyone actually described as “bald”.

So to clarify: the words on this website are as accurate as possible but since I’ve been the main contributor and I’m trying to make sense of ever-distant events it could be my opinion until I know otherwise.  I can change my opinion, but on this particular topic there’s no rush yet.


Chester DIP Copyright
Chester DIP Copyright

Maybe Mr Anthony Chester is confused?  In his voicemail rant he mentioned going on about who played what on what tracks?  Maybe he is thinking of the illegally attributed “Danger In Paradise”, which is attributed to Crawling Chaos.  It is available here on Amazon, say.

True, many Crawling Chaos members had a hand in it and it has artistic merit (though that is not the point at all), but no-one in Crawling Chaos, who played as Crawling Chaos, would actually attribute it so.  No-one.  Not one fucking person.

In hindsight,

  • Maybe it could have been attributed to Danger in Paradise since many tracks are already on the previously released Last Pose, both including the eponymous track anyway?
  • Maybe, as many bands do when they collaborate as in say “x feat. y” (so that people are clear about what happened during the work’s creation) it could have been like Danger In Paradise feat. A Truncated Crawling Chaos or Danger In Paradise & Friends or Danger In Paradise collab. Foetus Products & Friends or something like that?
  • Maybe it should’ve been called “The Last Pose 2” or “The Last Pose, Resurrection” by Danger in Paradise, my obvious choice?
The Last Pose
The Last Pose

But no, it was none of that.

And for all those who did play on the tracks (which Mr Anthony Chester angrily voice-mailed saying he could name), where is the fucking money?   Less bluster, less false hurt, more actual doing what should have been done in the first place.


Maybe Mr Anthony Chester is angry about these words regarding CC & DIP where I formerly said at the end of the Myths page?

“…but it was not ever Crawling Chaos and to tag the two bands together is plain deceit.”

Not nice, I know. But hopefully, the preceding words clarify the deceit that I see in front of me, and others, though they have not admitted it so here, only to me personally and in emails.  I have clarified the sentiment after considering the above words. It’s now politer, and clearer.


And yes, Mr Anthony Chester, for all those downloads, where exactly is the fucking money?  Quoting directly from an email from Jeff to me,

I see where you’re coming from believe me, but Anth asked me for my permission to put the LTM re-releases on iTunes and collect the proceeds on behalf of us all yonks ago, so that isn’t devious behaviour to me for what that’s worth. – Jeff Crowe

  • Q. So what does it all mean?
  • A. Where’s the fucking money?


  • It is deceitful to publish works without permission from an artist – e.g Nice & Chester never asked me, or Jeff for that matter.
  • It is deceitful to claim copyright where none exists – e.g. Chester’s obvious deceit in the screenshots above
  • It is deceitful to attribute works to another artist – i.e Chester attributing his collaborative works (that all who joined were certain was under the DIP moniker) to Crawling Chaos
  • It is deceitful to boost one’s own works by false flagging artists without their permission on works – i.e Chester attributing his works to Crawling Chaos
  • It is deceitful to withhold payments to artists – i.e. all the download works for which artists performing-as or contributing-to works managed by Mr Anthony Chester

Now in all of this documenting of the band (The) Crawling Chaos, I (sp) have tried to maintain a banter much like the days when the band was extant – not this post though, there’s little banter so pissed off with the bloke am I.  Anyway, in banter mode there were a host of nicknames and epithets bandied around, some alcohol fuelled…..  For the most of the time I was just called Rees, but stupid cunt happened many times… Knackerdan was another good one.  It was the same when Jeff and I were at school – we both got called stuff we didn’t like – I was called twizzle, moustacho, fartin-martin (clever, eh?  I even got called that in The Cumberland Arms by some of the coterie, can’t remember who; it does not matter one bit.) &c.  Jeff got particularly annoyed when only certain people called him Harry, some he didn’t mind.  Funny that.  Chester got his nickname from Jeff, baldy.

So fucking what?  It’s all part of the Pitmatic Test, Chester being one of the failures.

Mr Anthony Chester seems (IMHO) to have a very thin skin on this point yet still uses this as a blustering pretext for obfuscation of his ongoing deceits, which really, would not take much time to fix on his part.

As I have already said,

  • I have created the website from opinions and facts which are compiled from many sources.
  • When something changes and I discover otherwise, I change my opinion, or it gets reinforced.  This is one essence of Buddhism – the freedom to have an opinion and the freedom to be allowed to change an opinion without chastisement.  n.b. an opinion is different to an idea, say like having an idea to create a law to take away poor people’s money is wholly different to having an opinion about taking poor people’s money away.
  • I change the website following further information, omissions, typos and yes, correcting some things that are not as clear as they should be.

But one thing I am clear on is that Mr Anthony Chester, IMHO, has not changed, despite his talk of meditation, Buddhism and the like, some years ago by telephone as deflectionary words of appeasement to me.

Libel, malicious falsehood.  Look them up.  As I see it, I know where they are (as a reminder, check the beginning of this posting).

I advise Mr Anthony Chester not to pull the history thread hanging from the Crawling Chaos t-shirt and quickly fix things at his end – then magically,  under The Principle of 3000 realms in a Single Moment, opinions will change and personal irritations will disappear.  Maybe his karma will get fixed?  I sincerely hope so.  Really, I do.

One final thing Chester, don’t call, don’t visit.  The contact form on this website will be my only method of dialogue with you until things change.  You have no idea how pissed off I am with your petty chest puffing, and auditory dialogue, for now, is right out.  Paraphrasing Jeff in his first email to me:

Q: What’s the difference between Mr Anthony Chester and a bucketful of phlegm?

A: The bucket.

flotsam jetsam

You see, Anth?  It’s not just about “the music”.  It’s about everything.

      The voice of Peter Cook

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Crawling Chaos make music.  I also share other’s music.  It’s already allowed under the “fair use” clause of the copyright laws we currently enjoy.  Like dah?

Feeling Strangely and Perfectly Free
Feeling Strangely and Perfectly Free

So I discuss other’s art.  I point to it.  However, I don’t steal it.  I don’t extract full copy verbatim for illegal copying, yet I do make fair comment using the work as demonstration

ACTA on the other hand, opens the floodgates for swathes of future unaccountable, unelected, organisations to strip away our real freedoms which have been bloodily won over centuries.

So don’t let the bastards get away with it.

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Goat – Die or DIY?

Do You Know What Gets My Goat?

This site has a privacy policy (where I state that I’m pretty easy going for what people might say about me, The Crawling Chaos or our works – after all, comment is free….) and also a copyright statement which …er…states our copyright….

But what gets my goat is when dizzy anonymous bastards like DieOrDIY (calls himself Nick Allison) talk bullshit for commentary about reams of semi-known bands all under the guise of fair comment when all they do is upload full copyright works without either,

  1. even checking that the band has a website
  2. trying to contact the band
  3. posting the highly valuable back-links to the band’s or artist’s website

You see, if links were posted to the actual band content from where all music is listen-able and everyone can find out about the band and its music, it’d be great.

You see, if people like Nick took the time to make a video backed by a band’s music, and said where the music came from, that’d be great too.

Girly Pique
Nicki’s Girly Pique

But he’s done none of that.  (Amusingly, in a fit of girly pique while I’ve been internet-free for a month, he’s pulled his commentary and then has the sheer gall to suggest that we contact him to ask him if he’ll give us a backlink!  I tell you Nicki, try points 1, 2 and 3 above before jumping on your high horse.  Go on.  I dare you.  And while you’re at it, read the first paragraph above clearly.  You’ll then see that it’s not what you say about us that counts – it’s what you do. For those that doubt this, I posted his commentary in the original post below.  This is what Nicki now hypocritically and distorting-the-truth-ly says:


You’ll see his/her words are either in compete contradiction or a distortion of what I said.)

Lack of Honesty, Lack of Care, Lack of Integrity

Shoddy Diy Or Die
Shoddy Diy Or Die

But you see Nick, (and there are loads like “him” (he may be a girl for all I know as there are no personal details at all)),

  • finds the time to write several posts a day, and
  • finds time to transcribe from the original
  • or finds time to upload material he already has

…all to a file sharing website.

All the while, he artfully advises us to try the power of thought, whatever that may mean.

After all, his hidden persona drips out comment into the intertubes, not once referring to any artist directly but instead pointing us to their ripped-off content.  His only creation is his pointless drivel, struggling to say something when not much needs to be said.  If he chooses to fuck off back to the darkness, as many have done before him, he’ll go.  I’ve seen them many times.

Meanwhile, all the ripped-off artists remain.

Nicks says,

This is an attempt to contain an illustrated history of U.K. D.I.Y ,and anything associated with it,in one site. This can also include anything that fits the criteria of said genre, and its influences. If this makes any sense whatsoever I will be surprised,but i will attempt to make it seem like it does.

  • Nick.  I see the sense but you’ve failed.  You’re just a copy & paste merchant.   You’ve actually helped nobody.  Not one person benefits from your doodlings.  You’re not a compendium, a lexicon or encyclopaedia.  You are the weakest link.
  • Nick.  He gives it all away.  But it’s not his to give.  His name the clearest metaphor yet of what he does.


As for The Crawling Chaos, we have a shop.  We sell stuff.  Sort of.

But amazingly, you can preview all content before buying without even stealing it – how amazing is that!